i thought the loud liners were just rubbish, i picked up a few and started with evil genuis just now and it was horrrrrrrible on me, i was quite mad because i dont like the loud lipstick but got this because of you guys and i have had a completely different experience with rebel kind, it applied completely differently too? not sure whats up with it but maybe i ahould just stick with the original pwncils because these break off easier, im not sure how to properly sharpen and i dont agree that even rebel kind is even equal to the regular NYX pencils(cult favourite of mine) let alone better?